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Bhagavad-gita:
"The Changes" Web Site
from Jayadvaita
Swami
The "changes" and the
original manuscripts side by side.
You'll find more than 70 interesting,
instructive, and controversial
differences between the first and second
editions of Bhagavad-gita As It Is
—shown side by side with the version
found in the original manuscripts — at
this address:
www.krishna.com/newsite/
GitaRevsExplained.html
Change to
the Gita Explained
By
Jayadvaita Swami
CHAKRA
(Mayapur, India) - Dear
Madan Mohan Prabhu,
Someone has forwarded to me
a VNN editorial (Dec 25) in which you
write:
Are
these changes significant? If any
aspiring sadhaka has been discouraged
from or deprived of taking the direct
shelter of pure devotees, I would think
so.
These
changes *are* significant. What
they signify is that the text of the
Second Edition more closely matches
Srila Prabhupada's original words.
© CHAKRA
27-January-2001
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Response
to Dhira Govinda Prabhu
By
Dravida dasa
Having read that Jagannatha
dasa Babaji initiated Srila Bhaktivinoda
Thakura, the reader would naturally
assume that Jagannatha dasa Babaji is
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura's initiating
spiritual master. But we know that
Bhaktivinoda already had one--Vipina
Vihari Goswami--and so that impression
would be false because "acceptance
of more than one [initiating spiritual
master] is always forbidden."
The common meaning of the term
as understood in ISKCON comes from how
Srila Prabhupada used it--either to
refer to the formal process of first
initiation by himself personally or by
himself through his representative, with
fire sacrifice, the taking of sacred
vows, the change of name, etc.--or to
the awarding of the sacred thread at the
time of second initiation.
>Full
Story
© CHAKRA
9-July-2000
Caitanya-caritamrta,
Page 1, and Conflict Resolution in
ISKCON
By
Dhira Govinda dasa
Below is an
exchange of correspondence between
Dravida Prabhu, and myself in which he
answers a letter that I originally sent
to Jayadvaita Maharaja. The topic is a
change that was made on the first page
of the most recent edition of
Sri-Caitanya-caritamrita. Following the
correspondence I make some comments.
>Full
Story
©
CHAKRA 4-July-2000
Answers
to critics of Gita Revisions Web Site
By
Jayadvaita Swami
WORDS FROM A CRITIC: "The
new
BBT book changes web page
informs us that the transcripts for the
last six chapters of Srila Prabhupada's
dictation of 'Bhagavad-gita As It Is'
were lost 'sometime before 1972.' Most
editors would have some difficulty in
editing a book to 'make it closer to the
original' if they did not have the
original to work from! But it's no
problem for our BBT editors! They still
managed to make hundreds of changes in
these six chapters without any original
material from Srila Prabhupada to work
from at all. It appears to be all their
own work. It seems they had NOTHING to
work from except Srila Prabhupada's
original unabridged 'Bhagavad-gita As It
Is' and the final version of the
manuscript that was used by the
typesetters to produce the book (which
must be practically identical to the
printed book)."
COMMENT: The critic
misunderstands things badly. Yes, the
original transcriptions were lost. No,
we did not have "nothing to work
from." As explained in an opening
text on the
Gita
Revisions Website, the
"original manuscripts" we
relied on for the last chapters were
"the old retyped manuscripts from
which the 1972 Macmillan edition was
produced. The 'retyped manuscripts' for
the last six chapters were copied from
original transcriptions on which much
editing had already been done. The
typist followed the edited version,
adding what the editor had added and
deleting what he had deleted."
>Full
Story
©
CHAKRA 10-Aug-99
Changes
in Krsna
Book Explained
from
Dravida dasa
(Note: This article can also be
downloaded.
Click
here.)
(Note: This article can also be
downloaded.
Click
here.)
Recently the ISKCON Reform Group
posted an "in-depth
examination" of the revisions in
Srila Prabhupada's Krsna book. After
comparing chapters 6, 11, 78, and 88 of
the 1970 edition to those of the 1996
edition and listening to copies of Srila
Prabhupada's original dictation tapes,
the unnamed examiner concluded that no
revisions were needed beyond fixing
"spelling mistakes, obvious errors
and missing commas." His overall
conclusion was that the revision of
Krsna book was a great offense to Srila
Prabhupada.
Before we explain the reasoning
behind the changes the critic found
objectionable, a little history of Krsna
book is in order.
>Click Here
© CHAKRA 26-Feb-99
Bhagavad Gita Revisited
from
Antardwip das JPS
Hare Krishna
I feel that the most important part of
the issue concerning the editing of the
Bhagavad Gita and other books is not
about the authenticity of doing this,
but whether it should be done when
devotees object to it.
With regard to the authenticity, Maharaj
writes: "I sent the same letter not
only to Kirtanananda Maharaja but also
to every other member of the GBC, most
English-speaking ISKCON sannyasis,
various other senior ISKCON devotees,
and every ISKCON temple president in the
English-speaking world."
However, was that enough to gain the
acceptance of other ISKCON membership?
No, it obviously has failed to win
approval from many devotees. While some
may be enviously using this to gain
political support, most devotees are
genuinely perplexed about the editing.
Why this should be, when most changes
are, frankly, irrelevant, I have a few
suggestions:
>Click Here
© CHAKRA 15-Dec-98
Was the Bhagavad-Gita
Changed?
Studying
Books of Knowledge
a
correspondence
The following is
an excerpt from a letter written by
Vibhav Krishna das to Jayadvaita Swami:
"After demolishing the faith of
people in GBC and the guru system, the
latest target is Srila Prabhupada's
Bhagavad-Gita as it is.
"HG Madhu Pandit Prabhu and the
devotees of Bangalore ISKCON now point
out that "Srila Prabhupada's
Bhagavad-Gita as it is" is not
really as it is, the reason being the
present available edition has been
tampered with. They specifically point
out to the purport of Verse no:4.34.
"Nor by independant study of books
of knowledge can one progress in
spiritual life".
"They argue in favour of ritvikvad
saying that the original text of the
edition prior to 1983 do not contain the
above text. This has been added they say
by the GBC to support a guru system
which was never desired by Srila
Prabhupada.
"Could you please clarify this
point to enable us to respond to persons
who have been thus spoken to and to
clear their confusion.
"your servants
"Vibhav Krishna das and
others"
Jayadvaita Swami replies:
"The relevant part of the original
unedited manuscript—it was apparently
typed by Srila Prabhupada himself—reads
as follows:
"'Therefore mental speculation or
dry arguments cannot lead one to the
right path. Neither by self study of the
book of knowledge can help one progress
in spiritual life. One has to approach
therefore a bonafide spiritual master
for receiving the knowledge.'
"I'm looking right at a photocopy
of the original page. That's what it
says, word for word.
"Thank you. Hare Krsna.
"—ys, js
© CHAKRA 28-Nov-98
Responsible Publishing
Why and How the BBT
Publishes
Revisions of Srila Prabhupada's Books
Introduction
Because Srila
Prabhupada's books are sacred works, his
followers may sometimes wonder: Is it
proper to edit them? Is it proper to
revise them?
In this paper, Srila
Prabhupada's publisher, the
Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, answers these
and related questions.
Though the paper
especially focuses on Bhagavad-gita
As It Is, the questions and answers
illuminate the BBT's editorial policies
for all of Srila Prabhupada's books.
This paper has been
prepared by the English editorial
department of the BBT and approved by
the BBT trustees.
>Click
Here
CHAKRA - 8 May 98
Prabhupada's
Books Must Change
By Hari
Sauri Dasa
I am not sure who the devotee is that Ananda
prabhu is referring to in his text,
but I appreciate his stout defence of
Jayadvaita Maharaja, who was indeed
given a mandate by Srila Prabhupada to
edit his books to increasingly better
standards. He trusted that he was
competent to do this without changing
the message. Having worked with Maharaja
on the BTG for a year and also having
gone into detail with him in the early
80s on the update of the Bhagavad-gita,
I can certify that Jayadvaita Maharaja
is meticulous in preserving Srila
Prabhupada's message while presenting it
in the best way possible.
In case anyone has anyone doubts that
this on-going work of improvement should
be done, here's what Srila Prabhupada
himself said in the last few weeks he
was with us.
>Click
Here
CHAKRA 23-Apr-98
Prabhupada's
Books Must Change
by
Ananda Das
(Reprinted from Com)
Dear Devotees:
Recently a misguided devotee has made a
cause celebre of his contention that the
ongoing process of improving the
scholarly presentation of Srila
Prabhupad's books while at the same time
making them conform as closely as
possible to his intent should be
stopped. This devotee contends that at
an arbitrary time in the past these
books were perfected, and they should
thereafter be fixed in time without
further changes ever.
This argument, taken to its ultimate
conclusion, would eventually make
Prabhupad's books a curious historical
artifact rather than a spiritual guide
for the next 10,000 years, because the
English language, as any other language,
will not stand still.
>Click
Here
CHAKRA
23 Apr 98
"Jayadwaita
Means Parampara"
A
recollection by Devamrta Swami
Srila Prabhupada was touring the BBT in
1975, to turn up the heat in the famous
book production marathon. He came into
my office and I explained to him my
service as copy editor--doing the final
checks on type-composed copy. Next he
walked into Jayadwaita das brahmachari's
office. Sitting down on the chaddar of
his chief English editor, he declared,
"Jayadwaita means parampara."
>Click
Here
The Gita on VNN
by
Dravida dasa
I would like
to lodge a vociferous protest with
whoever runs the Black Peacock download
page, accessible on the VNN site within
"Interactive Forums." And by
extension I lodge a protest with the VNN
operators themselves for allowing this
travesty.
Among other books, the BP download page
offers a Folio version of what they
claim is Srila Prabhupada's Macmillan
edition of Bhagavad Gita As It Is,
but in truth it is no such thing.
>Click
Here
Dravida dasa
Reading Many Books
Dravida
Dasa explains
changes to BG 10.34
Madhudvisa Prabhu
asked for an explanation of Jayadvaita
Swami's change to BG 10.34. Here it is.
In the original transcript we find:
Medha, memory, not only to read many
books on many subject matter, but to
keep them in the memory and produce them
when necessary, that is also another
opulence.
In the Macmillan edition we find:
One need not read many books on
different subject matters; the ability
to remember a few and quote them when
necessary is another opulence.
In the 1983 BBT edition we find:
And the ability not only to read many
books on different subject matters but
to understand them and apply them when
necessary is intelligence (medha),
another opulence.
You decide which version is closer to
Prabhupada's original.
The fact is that Srila Prabhupada wrote
in a letter (7 Sept 1976):
Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita
Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by
me. I have confidence in him.
We should all follow the lead of Srila
Prabhupada.
Editing the Gita
Dravida
Dasa forwards a letter
from Jayadvaita Swami
Who would be
willing to insist that the reference to
the province of "Behar" (old
edition, page 185) should not be changed
to "Bihar"?
[[MAC 3.20, purp: Being a great devotee
of the Lord, he was transcendentally
situated, but because he was the king of
Mithila (a subdivision of Behar province
in India), ...]]
Chapter 16, verses 1-3, purport. Read
the first line of the last paragraph in
the old edition. Despite what the
purport says, the transcendental
qualities add up to 26, not 16. Someone
typed a "1" instead of a
"2," so the count is off by
10.
[[MAC 16.1-3 purp: All these sixteen
qualifications mentioned are
transcendental qualities. ]]
10.27. They once took a
"sea journey." Hardly. Our old
friend Neal the typist, the college kid
who walked into 26 Second Avenue and
volunteered to type, simply heard things
wrong. It was "sea churning."
But back in the old days in the
storefront, no one knew the real story.
[[MAC 10.27 purp: The devotee demigods
and the demons (asuras) once took a sea
journey. On this journey, nectar and
poison were produced, and Lord Siva
drank the poison.]]
[[NE 10.27 purp: The devotee demigods
and the demons (asuras) once took part
in churning the sea. From this churning,
nectar and poison were produced, and
Lord Siva drank the poison.]]
...and
much much more
>Click
Here
Sanskrit Error?
Dravida
dasa on editing the Bhagavad-gita
Since I am one of
the editors who has changed Srila
Prabhupada's books, I would like to
respond to the recent letter by
Madhudvisa dasa entitled "Sanskrit
Error?"
First of all, we have this excerpt from
a letter written by Srila Prabhupada to
Radhavallabha dasa on 7 Sept 1976:
"Concerning the editing of
Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is
approved by me. I have confidence in
him."
Since Srila Prabhupada had full
confidence in Jayadvaita Swami's
editing, why shouldn't we?
Secondly, if the example of Jayadvaita
Swami's editorial crimes provided by
Madhudvisa Prabhu is indicative of the
rest of the changes in the
Bhagavad-gita, the devotee community can
breathe a sigh of relief, because the
change in the purport to 7.30 is
entirely justified.
>Click
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